Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby gudmund » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:59 pm

what's wrong with orange?? - Tony, being you are retired now and there is no need to "hide" it any longer...... Orange is a good color when trying to find it camping with other teardrops!!!! I think it looks "great"!!!! ................ :thumbsup:
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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby tony.latham » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:25 pm

gudmund wrote:what's wrong with orange?? - Tony, being you are retired now and there is no need to "hide" it any longer...... Orange is a good color when trying to find it camping with other teardrops!!!! I think it looks "great"!!!! ................ :thumbsup:


I called our old 'drop, Flash.

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I'm thinking our new one is, Burning Woman.

If somebody ever shags her, it'll be an easy description.

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby twisted lines » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:22 pm

WHAT?!?

I guess I am following the black on white crowd, instead of Orange :lol:

There Fixed it :beer:

Actually its a color I am fond of;
And I would trade my tow rig and trailer pile for any one of 4, I can think of.
5.5 X 10 Flatback Benroy in a pile,
And it's growing!
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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby gudmund » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:06 am

Tony, what a beautiful 'scenic' backdrop setting behind your trailers in this pic - last September, when I drove to meet up with the trailer group in Sula, Mt that was doing the Tearjerkers Crawl though your area - leaving my trailer at the campground in Sula, I drove over the hill to Salmon, Id. meeting them for the drive back and YES!!! it was one "great beautiful" drive back north = liked it so well, when I take off for my next cross-state run to Texas this June, the plan is to again make the run up Hy 12 to Lolo, than south back though your area down to Twin Falls. If I see an "Orange" TD, I'll be waving a "Hello" :thumbsup: your direction (Now I understand 'why' they make hunter's wear orange :roll :thinking: ) (( :oops: Sorry for the 'change of subject' hijack))
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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:06 am

gudmund wrote:Tony, what a beautiful 'scenic' backdrop setting behind your trailers in this pic ... (( :oops: Sorry for the 'change of subject' hijack))


No worries! :D When I hear from 3M and/or BASF I'll report their suggestions.

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby tony.latham » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:38 pm

I drove over the hill to Salmon, Id. meeting them for the drive back and YES!!! it was one "great beautiful" drive back north


That photo would have been a week or so after you came through. I was wanting to get her done for that tour but it wasn't to be.

And to further hijack the thread, here's what the view from there looked like this morning.

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Those, of course, are the Beaverhead Mountains. It's a Meriwether Lewis story on how they got their name.

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 am

tony.latham wrote:And to further hijack the thread ...

Tony


Am I hijacking the thread if I created it? :thinking:

Anyway, view outside our porch one morning (happened to be in the Winter of 2012)

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The geology of the Sandias is such that it looks much different from our side, looking to the West, than from Albuquerque looking East.

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:25 am

So, hijacking the hijacked thread: It occurred to me that we do have some aluminum diamond plate to weigh for comparison

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That's a fender from the trailer--less than 1/8" inch thick. Borrowing Shelly's dress makers tape, it seems to be 12 x 61.5 inches, or 5.125 square feet, and weighs in at 4 lbs 12.5 oz. If I did the math correctly, that puts it at 0.93 lbs/square foot, which compares to the 1/8 inch thick rubber diamond plate at 0.9 lbs/square foot. Pretty much the same weight.

Think the rubber still wins, since we can apply it to the slightly rounded cargo door, and hopefully wrap it around the 3/8 inch radius between the front and side of the teardrop.

BTW, I wish we'd had the option of getting black anodized aluminum diamond plate fenders. Not only will black fenders go with the rest of the black trim (doors and rubber diamond plate), but following Shelly and the empty trailer home in the evening, I was nearly blinded by the Sun's reflection. At some point, I plan to either buy new fenders, or anodize these.

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:39 am

Here is BASF's response

Our MasterWeld 948 may be an option.

However please note a test area with the MasterWeld 948 would be required to verify proper adhesion.

Additionally we would recommend slightly abrading or “de-glossing” the surfaces of both the SBR Rubber and the epoxy for best performance.

I have included a Technical Data Guide for your review…

Thanks,

BASF Construction Systems Technical Support
BASF Corporation
889 Valley Park Drive
Shakopee, MN 55379

800-243-6739

http://www.master-builders-solutions.basf.us

Comment * : We are building a prototype teardrop camping trailer with an epoxy over fiberglass surface. We would like to attach a styrene butadiene rubber (SBR) diamond plate sheet (manufactured by Rubber-Cal) to the front and sides for protection against stones and other road debris. Would you please recommend a BASF adhesive (or tape) that will bond SBR rubber to epoxy? Thank you!


Looks affordable. We'll see what 3M says, and may test the Masterweld 948.

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby tony.latham » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:04 am

Anyway, view outside our porch one morning...


Gorgeous place. Must see a bunch of curious critters around there.

Thanks for the update on the adhesive and getting this thread back inline. :frightened:

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:46 pm

Another answer to how well the rubber diamond plate will hold up outdoors, this one via our question to Home Depot, answered by Rubber-Cal:

YOUR QUESTION

How well does this rubber resist sunlight? Is there UV protection mixed into the rubber?

THE ANSWER

This product is great for use in the outdoors. It is made from reclaimed rubber and has a very high rate of resistance to UV and ozone. While prolonged exposure to sunlight will not compromise the physical integrity of the product, over time you may just see some fading and spotting in the color. Thank you, Robert Morris Rubber-Cal Inc.


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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:51 pm

And here is our answer from 3M:

Thank you for contacting 3M Automotive Aftermarkets.


Please see the response below from our technical service rep regarding your inquiry.


"None of the adhesives in AAD are designed for or are tested on the SBR rubber. IATD has a broader range of adhesives which may suitable for this kind of application

I’ve tried to attach the 3M Industrial Adhesives and Tapes brochure, but I keep getting failure messages as the file is too big.

If you follow this link > go to Resources, you’ll see the brochure listed"

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/ ... P16/?N=500 2385+8710676+3293223447&rt=rud

If you have trouble opening, please call our 3M Industrial Group at 800-352-3550, select option #2 & 2


Sincerely


Clauzel G

3M Automotive Aftermarkets

877-666-2277


I didn't realize it but evidently I wasn't asking the entire company, but only their automotive aftermarkets division. I'll try again, except for their Industrial Adhesives and Tapes Division I need to state a company name and industry to ask the question. We'll see what happens...

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:06 am

Here is the response from 3M. Much more expensive than the BASF recommendation, and 3M is recommending epoxy glues. So I think we'll first experiment with BASF's adhesive and the rubber sample (when it arrives).

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Good afternoon Thomas

Please note none of our adhesives or tapes are suggest for use outside a moving vehicle (including trailers) unless the bond line is designed and tested for required safety requirements by a qualified engineer.
I believe that the DP125 Gray or 2216 Gray (if longer worklife is desired) would be the ones to consider.

DP125:
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/ ... 443&rt=rud

2216:
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/ ... 497&rt=rud


The DP applicators and nozzles can be found starting on page 26 of the below:
https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/328 ... sel-gd.pdf

These products can be found through industrial suppliers such as:
RS Hughes
McMaster Carr
Grainger
Strobels Supply
Thomas Goldkamp
MSC Supply
Fastenal
Airgas
Hillas
Uline

If you need further/additional assistance or prefer to speak directly with a specialist, please call 800-362-3550 x2 x2 for the first available representative.

Best Regards,
Tom



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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:02 am

Finally got around to trying the Masterweld 948 with the sample of rubber diamond plate. Sadly, the first test was a complete failure:

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Weighted the rubber on the scrap of plywood covered in fiberglass and epoxy for about 20 hours. The glue appears to have bonded well with the epoxy, but the rubber pealed right off. It is still tacky in the middle, which may be part of the problem--Masterweld 948 takes air to cure, and, of course, the rubber and epoxy block the air. Perhaps waiting a few days (weeks?) would have helped, but the part that cured around the border also didn't prevent the rubber from pealing right off.

I did prep the glass/epoxy side by first sanding the gloss off (as I did with the teardrop), and then using warm soapy water and a scotch-pad to take off any amine blush that might be present. I did no preparation on the rubber sample. So, I think I'll try sanding that surface to see what happens.

3M recommended an epoxy glue, which is entirely cost prohibitive. (This was supposed to be about the same cost as an aluminum diamond plate.)

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Re: Rubber Diamond Plate for front of teardrop?

Postby Tom&Shelly » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:17 am

Okay, likely my last post on this subject. Since I didn't scuff the rubber, as recommended by the BASF rep, last time, I sanded off the old glue, scuffed it with 60 grit sandpaper, and re-glued it. I put a block of scrap wood on top, and a fairly heavy vise on top of that. Left it for a day, and then promptly peeled the rubber right off. Masterweld 948 is clearly not the right adhesive for this application!

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To protect our front cargo door, we are now considering using Monstaliner over the plastic door. Later, we will likely buy an aluminum plate to protect the side of the front of the teardrop on the other side from the door.

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